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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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good evening welcome to another episode

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of arcane radio where we explore the

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unexplained live on beyond explanation

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i'm your host lon stricker coming to you

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with an account show the howl fields of

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gettysburg pennsylvania thanks for

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uh please feel free to share any uh any

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of the encounters that you have with me

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so tonight i'd like to welcome

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horrorfix.com owner and director ash

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hamilton

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to arcane radio now ash recently

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directed the feature holes in the sky

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the sean miller story

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is also an adjunct instructor at lincoln

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land community college in his hometown

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springfield illinois

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his website can be found at horror

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dashfix.com so ash

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thanks for coming on the show with me

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this evening

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hey thanks so much for having me lon i

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appreciate it

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so horror fix uh this is your baby tell

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us a bit about it

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so um i i used to live on the east coast

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and when i was there uh i was mainly

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uh positioned myself as a graphic

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designer a web designer did a lot of

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video editing and things like that

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and for years i was doing websites for

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people

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for their hobbies their interests

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and didn't really have anything as far

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as anything that i was really interested

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in for myself

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and when i ended up moving back to the

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illinois area from new york um after you

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know my divorce and everything and

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started just trying to rebuild my life

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i'm like i really need to throw myself

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into something i've been able to help so

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many other people with what they wanted

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horror and sci-fi genres you know

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specifically film and i thought well

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let's go ahead and let's try this out

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let's let's actually make something for

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um i've done a lot of writing in the

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past and i thought you know i could do

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some reviews and do some editorial stuff

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posted how long i've been doing it it's

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it's pretty crazy but yeah so 10 years

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doing the uh the horror fix i guess

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horror challenge if you will

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of uh of doing this sort of like daily

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news reviews you know anything that's

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genre related we basically are a part of

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has anything changed in this industry

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the way movies are funded i think more

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crowdfunding has

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totally changed the landscape of film

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the public first of all never really had

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of of their entertainment you know um of

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that influences sales which then you

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sequel if it's going to get a wider

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release so we had that kind of influence

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theater but we never really had like a

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voice a real voice

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we're getting um subject matter we never

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thought we'd see and these are things

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the trenches enough you know with with

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fandom to really know what to push you

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idea we've got actors attached to it we

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think it's gonna fly

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but now there's so much of this audience

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interaction that you know the crowd

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could get in there and say hey listen if

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we raise five hundred thousand dollars

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you know they're going to start this

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movie and then they'll supplement the

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rest with you know hollywood dollars

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just totally changed the game it's

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looks like many of these networks

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are less we are more reluctant to just

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put up the budgets the way they used to

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paranormal movie started i mean

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paranormal shows started coming out the

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ghostbusters and ghost hunters and this

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when that started coming out um

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became flooded with all this stuff and

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like well monster quest for example and

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uh uh show to come out and that had a

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lot of success

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you know it i i just don't think the

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budgets are there as like they used to

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the more independent person

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uh the more independent producers and

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directors can put what they want out

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there and you know they can get ideas

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from their fans on what to use

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absolutely and in fact your film i don't

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sure you did it through crowdsourcing at

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successful you weren't getting getting

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funds but whatever you did get you was

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yeah and i'll i'll let you in on a

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little secret like we we entirely

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self-funded it

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production it's you know it's weird and

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people talk hollywood because like when

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representation and how movies are pushed

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that you know and indie filmmakers are

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that we had written and we had started

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momentum behind it it was a horror

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were genre actors that we personally

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really enjoyed like um michael pereira

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from philadelphia experiment and bone

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mule and niptuck was involved we had

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some really really strong talent that

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to to get so close to sort of pushing

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this bigger thing through which you know

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few more doors to even bigger projects

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things come and go in hollywood things

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industry where you know there are a lot

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more under uh undeveloped projects than

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pandemic isolation in quarantine

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things that i'd wanted to do and as as a

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know this page and going you know if i

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cut this page we can get ten thousand

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dollars out

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and i i know that i had personally

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written stories that i wanted to see and

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i never really had um a lot of a lot of

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awareness of of pushing for one budget

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or another so i'd write a script and

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then i'd go over it and see you know how

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much it was going to cost to make that

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script and for the first time because of

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uh funding was just going crazy during

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pandemic nobody wanted to really invest

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in anything

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nobody really even knew how things were

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going to get shot things with sag were

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changing by the minute

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you know you'd be involved in production

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and then all of a sudden you couldn't

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have x amount of people on set

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um then you couldn't have x amount of

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people like staying on location

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so everything was changing and i said to

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myself you know maybe i should just

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write something that costs next to

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nothing like maybe i need to write with

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an with an idea of my limitations in

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mind and and maybe that's a different

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approach for me

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and

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actually i started having a lot of fun

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with that idea

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because i had had some of my own

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experiences um that were in the world of

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the paranormal and that were sort of

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ufological related

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and i started putting a lot of that into

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the script

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and as i started to

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think more about you know what my

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personal investment was as to you know

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how much of this was going to be based

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on a true story how much of this was

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going to be based on maybe a personal

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story

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um

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then it sort of became easier to also

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sort of fund it because i had a really

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good idea in mind of what i wanted

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and and what our limitations were

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so to say that it's a small movie with a

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small budget is is even sort of like an

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understatement it's it was a very small

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budget but um yeah we were so conscious

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of what we wanted

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as we were doing the film that

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it

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come across

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as an extremely small movie um

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and sort of by the time you end up

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watching the full thing you're like oh

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well

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maybe they did have some money maybe

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they were able to

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to put some money into this we

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we did a lot it was there's a lot of

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smoke and mirrors oh sure involved you

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know hollywood magic

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no i think you did a pretty good job i

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mean i uh i enjoyed it you know of

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course me looking at it in a critical

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eye you know i was looking for some of

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that you know see how they did this how

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they did that but quite frankly it was

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pretty well done

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and uh i mean it was like it was you

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know it was a fictional account but

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basically like i told you

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it had a lot a little bit of the the

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actuality of what people have been

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reporting over the years bits and pieces

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of it here and there which actually made

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it very believable

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and uh yeah i mean it it it kind of made

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you think like did this really happen

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and i think that's what you were going

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for to some people thinking well is this

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something that may have happened or you

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know so yeah i think you succeeded in

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that

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moviegoer and as a cinephile when i look

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back on the movies that had an impact on

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me those were the films that sort of

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opened a new world for me um where i

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could truly you know be an escapist and

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when we look back on stuff like star

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wars stuff that pushed the boundaries

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and we really hadn't seen stuff like

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that happen before or even

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and and i'll say just because a lot of

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moviegoers hadn't really uh seen a lot

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of the 3d visual effects that are

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presented but even movies like pandora

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i'm sorry avatar with worlds like

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pandora just open up a sort of different

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palette of visuals people aren't used to

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so

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there questioning like i wonder if this

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is really a documentary if this is

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really a film like to me that means a

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lot because

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that that's that movie magic to me if

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there's one second where you can suspend

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suspend disbelief and it becomes

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something a little more like to me

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that's that's the kind of filmmaking

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that i want to do um where i can i can

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open up at least an avenue of thought

402
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maybe make it a little more provocative

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in that sense than maybe just a a

404
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typical horror film bro you had me

405
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guessing i mean i'll be honest with you

406
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i did i was guessing and wondering well

407
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is this a case i maybe had missed at

408
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some point because i never heard of the

409
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sean miller case

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and uh i was thinking well maybe this is

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something that ash and his people have

412
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looked into and decided to make a film

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of but it was uh

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you know as time went on i figured out

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this is uh this is kind of a

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homage to the the whole abductions

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all the deduction scenarios and stuff

418
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from the past and maybe in the future

419
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but uh yeah i liked it i really did

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and and we had some instances actually

421
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lon that were very strange where

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uh we caught some stuff on camera that

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we we didn't expect to be honest with

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you so there are elements when you're

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watching the film

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that are not staged

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there are

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some instances where

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we were um

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and and i'll just

431
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i'll give one for example

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there's a part in the film where we

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start doing test footage with our

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subject and

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and usually when we go into a place and

436
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we start doing test footage because i've

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done a lot of documentary and interview

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q a work on camera is that you come in

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you just

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them comfortable you maybe don't have

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the light set up yet you don't even have

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you know any of the lav mics or anything

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on like you're just getting in front of

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the camera getting comfortable and we

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were doing that a lot because we worked

446
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with a lot of non-actors for this

447
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like a lot of people in the film

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um

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are are non-actors people who did not

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even suspect that they were going to be

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in a film and you know the people we

452
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knew we said we want to get something

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organic and that looks real so we don't

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want people who are conscious of reading

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lines we want to do this a little bit

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differently

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and there's a point where we're doing

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test footage with our subject sean

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and um as we're talking to him

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a a pot a very heavy pot that is

461
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actually nailed onto the wall

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comes off of the wall

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oh that actually happened

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that actually happened yeah so

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as we were doing test footage

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that happened he thought that it was

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part of the gag

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so after

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you know we cut

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he was like wow

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like you guys are really doing this like

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you're really doing this even when i'm

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not aware of it and i said you know i

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hate to tell you this show but we we did

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not do that we were unaware that was

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going to happen and then we were talking

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about gags involving lights flickering

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things of that nature

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which is very common in a lot of

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investigations

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electricity being affected and we had

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instances where

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we did have some lights that were

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flickering independent and we did not

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know why

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we continue to have things come off the

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wall

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mirrors paintings

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and that happened during probably the

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first two or three weeks of shooting and

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a lot of that is actually captured in

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the film we left it in

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yeah to get some of those genuine

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reactions

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from the cast from that's interesting

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you know you do hear stories about

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productions i'm usually bigger

498
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productions but a bunch of crazy stuff

499
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will happen on the set um

500
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but now that place where you had you

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actually went on location to film

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especially inside the house yeah did

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that place have a history of paranormal

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activity you know

505
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no it's an old place and it's actually

506
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where i live okay um we actually filmed

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it where where we live and this is uh uh

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part of my my wife's family actually

509
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owns quite a bit of land out here okay

510
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this is this is part of that land um and

511
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we're very very remote we're about a

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mile to the nearest neighbor um

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yeah we're we're outside of

514
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you know we are outside of springfield

515
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which is a

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largely populated area about 150 000 or

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so

518
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but um

519
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we're far enough outside that uh we've

520
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got one led light

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it gives us about a a 50 foot spread of

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light on our property and then once

523
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you're past that light

524
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if there's no moon light or natural

525
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light it's complete and total blackness

526
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so there's an error about the place when

527
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when you get here because of how

528
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isolated we are

529
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and um we didn't know of any

530
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real history behind the place

531
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but we get a lot of visitors that

532
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have feelings have intuition

533
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that

534
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definitely

535
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there's there's an air about the place

536
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when you get here

537
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well you know watching the film you look

538
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it looks like there's something real

539
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going on there and uh that's why i asked

540
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you know i don't know if you've heard me

541
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talk about this in the past or mentioned

542
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it but i've got an affinity for like

543
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fault form manifestations and possibly

544
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maybe something that you were you know

545
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because of the film and you were

546
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actually recreating or trying to

547
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recreate something

548
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actually

549
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manifested some type of activity

550
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and we've had that discussion um myself

551
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that

552
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open-minded people so when we went into

553
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this

554
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even though we went into it with the

555
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idea that we had a narrative and a

556
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narrative that we sort of wanted to

557
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stick to

558
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we were very conversation oriented

559
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about the principles behind the film

560
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about

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what we really wanted to show and and

562
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how we wanted people to view it right um

563
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so

564
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there were a couple of times where we

565
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were we were in that discussion of you

566
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,440
know are we creating something with the

567
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,960
very idea

568
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,600
of trying to get something on camera

569
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:25,039
and then

570
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,320
some of those things actually sort of

571
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,919
manifesting

572
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:29,280
as we're shooting

573
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,039
so yeah that was a conversation that

574
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,039
came up more than once actually

575
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,960
yeah why it doesn't surprise me you know

576
00:20:39,050 --> 00:20:36,960
it seems to be something that

577
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:39,060
more and more people or uh

578
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,320
[Music]

579
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,240
you know that start to are recognizing

580
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,400
now that are thinking about

581
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:47,039
uh you know what's who's to say i mean

582
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,480
you're doing a movie about alien

583
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,039
abduction or alien encounters

584
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,120
uh maybe you may have been drawing

585
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,200
something there as well so that's an

586
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,799
interesting thought now folks if you

587
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,880
have questions and you're in the chat

588
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,640
tonight if you have requests for ash or

589
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,039
about horrorfix.com or the film

590
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,440
please put it in the chat uh do it with

591
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,600
caps and i'll go ahead and be able to

592
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,679
see it and i'll give it to ash

593
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,559
um

594
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,880
so what do you got working on now are

595
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,720
you working on a follow-up to the film

596
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:16,320
or are you going to do something

597
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:17,280
different

598
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:20,880
we we've had um some some interest in

599
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,640
continuing the story um the film is is

600
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:26,080
for those of us seen it is pretty

601
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:27,200
open-ended

602
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,240
and

603
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,640
we know that there's a possibility there

604
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,600
we're

605
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:33,520
still sort of fielding offers with with

606
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,960
the film right now

607
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,360
and uh we have had a lot of interest

608
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,799
we've done very well in the festival

609
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,440
circuit we've got a lot of interest in

610
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,120
where it's going to go as far as i can

611
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,880
tell folks how many awards you've won so

612
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:45,840
far

613
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,280
eight eight awards and that includes

614
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:52,799
yeah we've we've been very very

615
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:56,240
fortunate in um it includes uh

616
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,919
where we've won uh best reality horror

617
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,760
best science fiction feature

618
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,280
best director

619
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,440
um best feature film

620
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:06,960
best horror film

621
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,000
uh best best science fiction film

622
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,039
um and we we even won one for best

623
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:15,200
documentary format film

624
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,360
um so we've been hitting a lot of

625
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,200
a lot of festivals and we've been

626
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,039
getting a lot of love from the festivals

627
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,679
which is great we've got a festival

628
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:28,000
right now that we're in that's an online

629
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,360
hybrid

630
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,960
um where people can actually watch the

631
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,480
film online

632
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,080
okay um they can buy a ticket to the

633
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,320
festival and it's part of the festival

634
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,000
and um there's an awards ceremony

635
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,919
tomorrow for that so we don't know if

636
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,159
we're up for anything but you know we

637
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,760
will attend you know at least to meet

638
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,440
some of the other filmmakers so we're

639
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,960
we're excited about that too so yeah

640
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,720
we've been getting a lot of love right

641
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,240
now

642
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,880
thought it might have been poltergeist

643
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:55,360
actually i don't know you know you you

644
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:56,320
know

645
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,440
you can't really it's hard to tell

646
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,200
what's going on when something like that

647
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,440
would happen but um

648
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,120
you know it seems from what you're

649
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,200
talking that there were other instances

650
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,440
of activity as well other than what you

651
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,200
had talked about with the pot and stuff

652
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,840
coming off the walls

653
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,080
and we've had some um

654
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,520
part of the reason i think that we chose

655
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,200
to do the story was

656
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,240
um this property that we're at has

657
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,760
like i said it has sort of its own

658
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,320
personality yeah about it and

659
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,799
there were a couple of nights where um

660
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,720
like we have we have a like a you know

661
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,880
like a dirt road in front of our house

662
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:33,200
and we have our our post office a little

663
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,080
you know our

664
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,520
our box there and then it's a field

665
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,919
with a tree line

666
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,120
and um

667
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,120
we had a couple instances where

668
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,880
you know we we saw some lights above

669
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,159
that tree line

670
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,039
um lights that you know we

671
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,200
really couldn't nail down to be in

672
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,279
anything that we were aware of

673
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,440
um that were sort of

674
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,320
exhibiting behaviors acting certain ways

675
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:00,400
that were very very strange

676
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,880
and we we had that a few nights and um

677
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,679
that sort of also led to well you know

678
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,600
all these things in combination sort of

679
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,840
lend themselves to this is a story that

680
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:14,080
could very easily take place in this

681
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,279
area

682
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,440
in this location with this remoteness

683
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,520
so there are things surrounding it

684
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,720
definitely

685
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,760
that

686
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,880
um

687
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:25,120
led us to believe that you know we were

688
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,559
sort of telling a story that was

689
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,640
unfolding as as well i guess you could

690
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,960
say that

691
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,360
well we do have a question in the chat

692
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,679
people are asking and i guess it has to

693
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,360
do with what we're experiencing in

694
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,799
chicago but

695
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,480
uh what are your views on ultra

696
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,400
terrestrials or other under

697
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,240
interdimensional beings do you have any

698
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:46,720
thoughts on that

699
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,240
uh yeah you know i i think that we're

700
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,880
seeing some and hearing some

701
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,480
very interesting things just just over

702
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:55,919
the last probably

703
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,039
15 years um

704
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,880
from a lot of different sources from

705
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,320
everything like uh

706
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,559
you know willie strieber and his

707
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,880
experiences with uh

708
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,760
you know his his wife has been departed

709
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:12,559
and the fact that i think

710
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,840
we used to compartmentalize these things

711
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,120
so much

712
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,360
like it was just the paranormal and the

713
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:22,240
afterlife in in the ease and then we had

714
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,400
ufos and and then we had cryptids and

715
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,919
i think for the longest time people were

716
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,880
very

717
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,919
um

718
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,279
very careful

719
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,919
not to let those areas bleed into one

720
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,760
another like people wanted to keep them

721
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,360
very separate you know people wanted to

722
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,679
keep them very autonomous

723
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:43,760
and i think we're seeing now that that's

724
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,880
i i think it's far far

725
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,240
stranger

726
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:51,120
than than what we even thought it was

727
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,640
well you know i

728
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,480
i used to have a lot of pushback on that

729
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,640
because i used to you know i i

730
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,880
investigating a one phenomenon and a lot

731
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,880
something else bleeds into it

732
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,520
and then you start to wonder well how

733
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:05,600
how related are these things i mean you

734
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:06,480
know

735
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:13,360
talking about interdimensionals as far

736
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,960
as with cryptids and then ufo activity

737
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,840
and possibly spiritual activity you know

738
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,480
actually happening on a single case and

739
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,000
um

740
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,919
you know you start to wonder you know

741
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,679
it's just like we're going on chicago we

742
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,159
got you know we got something going on

743
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,919
that we really

744
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,080
had no idea what it was then we're

745
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,080
starting to get information

746
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,480
that you know maybe

747
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,480
we're talking about something that's

748
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:42,880
otherworldly as opposed to

749
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,919
some type of um cryptid being you know

750
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:47,200
so

751
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,480
and especially um when you look at

752
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,120
ufology and just the subject of

753
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,039
um seeing your phone the sky versus the

754
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,880
abduction experience

755
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,960
you know when you see a ufo ufo in the

756
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,720
sky or when you see something that

757
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,880
you're pretty sure is is not you know

758
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,320
indigenous to this planet something

759
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,000
that's extraterrestrial

760
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,559
there's there's this linear path of

761
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,000
thinking that you have

762
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:14,159
which is okay this is a craft it's a

763
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:15,200
vessel

764
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,480
if it has occupants they're steering

765
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,960
if they're steering it has controls

766
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,679
if it has controls it was manufactured

767
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,360
if it was manufactured it was done in

768
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,159
the plant it was in the plant there's a

769
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,120
location and a city and a planet like

770
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,360
it's very linear thinking it'd be the

771
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:37,520
same way as seeing us land one of our

772
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:41,279
aircrafts right that way of thinking is

773
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,000
just

774
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,399
you know it's it's breadcrumbs this has

775
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,360
to be

776
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,000
gets this yeah and then all of a sudden

777
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:50,399
you go into the abduction experience

778
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,600
right which is so bizarre

779
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,000
that now that whole breadcrumb way of

780
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,159
thinking is like thrown out the window

781
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,120
you're talking about beings who can

782
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,679
materialize

783
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,679
essentially out of thin air

784
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,399
the ability that they have to

785
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:11,600
control people's willpower

786
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:12,399
the

787
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,159
um and now people are talking about uh

788
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,279
this idea of abductees also

789
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:25,679
um experiencing periods where they were

790
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,120
talking to deceased relatives it becomes

791
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,480
so bizarre

792
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:32,880
that you've got that very what i would

793
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,559
consider you know this ethnocentric view

794
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,640
which is which is we have the human

795
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,960
experience and that's people making

796
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,720
stuff and people flying stuff and then

797
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:44,240
people landing stuff and getting out of

798
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,880
it

799
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,240
and then we have that whole other

800
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:47,600
experience

801
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,399
which

802
00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:54,470
fantasy where it's so fantastic

803
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,360
that we don't even know where to

804
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,120
start we don't know

805
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,720
well you know you've made a movie now

806
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,279
about uh alien encounters

807
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,840
extraterrestrial encounters abductions

808
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,600
what are your actual thoughts on on the

809
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:09,679
phenomena do you think these these other

810
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,919
worldly beings are coming to um

811
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,000
to our plane or airplane and actually

812
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,240
abducting humans

813
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:20,399
yeah yeah i think that it's been going

814
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:23,840
on for a very very long time yeah um

815
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,039
i i think at one point in time um

816
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,679
i used to read a lot of uh you know keel

817
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,039
and even some of the louder jacques

818
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,039
valet stuff and stuff that's always

819
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,880
really interested me and and those are

820
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,080
some guys like jacques valley

821
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,159
specifically who at one point was a very

822
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,640
nuts and bolts researcher right and then

823
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:42,960
you know got into this very like

824
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,880
jungian sort of approach to ufology

825
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,279
and i i kind of

826
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:51,440
sort of go with that really

827
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,399
sort of

828
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,840
weird uh standpoint approach to it where

829
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,640
i i think at one point in time um we we

830
00:30:01,389 --> 00:30:00,559
probably didn't see these these beings

831
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,399
as

832
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:04,320
extraterrestrials they were the

833
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,120
uh

834
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,640
two other dude

835
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,760
and they were you know part of they were

836
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,240
a fairy ring and they were this and and

837
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:14,799
they were that and and that leads me to

838
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,840
to believe that yes this is going on

839
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,760
but i think there's this prankster

840
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,320
mentality there where i i don't really

841
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,000
know if we're seeing what we think we're

842
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,000
seeing

843
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,320
i i think yeah it's hard to tell i mean

844
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:30,000
strange stuff

845
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,520
yeah you know

846
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:33,279
well you go back and start listening you

847
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:34,799
talked about valet and talking about

848
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,710
you know keeley's talk about tricksters

849
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,279
and such and then valet

850
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,159
you know he he kind of gave the whole

851
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:47,919
extraterrestrial

852
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,600
name genre in his in his writings and

853
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,200
his research

854
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:54,559
um

855
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,279
but

856
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,760
honestly i i don't know what to think

857
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,440
you know i wrote a book about

858
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,399
you know this ufo well basically more

859
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,600
alien

860
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,480
experiences and um you know i'm still

861
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,799
confused as to what's going on i mean

862
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,720
it's mind-blowing yeah you hear all

863
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,880
kinds of different stuff and

864
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,720
it's it's never-ending you're always

865
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,760
getting updates and changes to it and um

866
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,279
someone will always come up with

867
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:20,799
something different

868
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,679
and uh it doesn't really change my mind

869
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,840
but it kind of uh

870
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,320
adds to what's going on and what you've

871
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,519
been thinking about in the past and

872
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,720
you know i

873
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,559
it's never going to be a moot subject

874
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,559
that's put that way yeah it's like every

875
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:38,480
time you think you've got a beat on it

876
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:41,600
you know every time that you've got a a

877
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,039
wealth of data and you sift through it

878
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,480
and you you know you think that

879
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:49,919
again you've

880
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,360
i i think the human experience sometimes

881
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,600
really sort of taints our ability to

882
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,840
begin to understand any of this because

883
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,440
of just the way that we think we've got

884
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,799
these borders that we can't sort of

885
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,000
break out of

886
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,240
which is always okay so we've got these

887
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,760
people now we got to know where they

888
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,640
come from and it's very solid tangible

889
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,799
we're always thinking about

890
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,720
again them living in houses which is on

891
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,039
a planet which is in a

892
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,760
solar system in a galaxy and when you're

893
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:18,799
talking about stuff like ultra

894
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,120
terrestrial talking about you know a

895
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,000
hyper dimensional model

896
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,600
we might not be

897
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,240
even remotely prepared

898
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,720
for for what these things are

899
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:33,279
we might not have the framework

900
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,559
to be able to accurately understand it

901
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,919
yeah you know

902
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:40,000
the general thought has been for

903
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,919
for a long time now that they're coming

904
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:44,080
here on craft and um

905
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,279
you know they're

906
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,919
hovering above us and objecting us

907
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,519
or abducting

908
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,840
animals or whatever they're abducting

909
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,640
you know

910
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,679
with craft uh unidentified craft and

911
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,760
yeah that does happen people do mention

912
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,360
that but i think it's much more deeper

913
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,960
than that i mean

914
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,880
uh

915
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,320
you know i've been investigating with

916
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,919
the david eckhart

917
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,519
thing for a long time that was all

918
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,159
portal travel nothing to do with ufos

919
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:12,960
whatsoever that kind of opened my eyes

920
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,760
up as to what may be going on

921
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,360
uh you know we

922
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,880
still really don't know what's happening

923
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,159
with him and there's a lot of stuff

924
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,919
still going on there

925
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,360
uh so

926
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:25,360
you know who knows i mean

927
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,720
maybe two years from now we'll have

928
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,640
another thought about what's going on

929
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,000
this will change

930
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:31,919
uh but like i said it's there's always

931
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,640
going to be something else happening

932
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,240
um to

933
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,440
get us thinking about this once again

934
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,960
yeah you know i

935
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,120
i always thought that you know with with

936
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,760
the advent of of mobile technology the

937
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,080
the more cell phone usage we have

938
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,240
that that we would start to be able to

939
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,080
better classify and categorize these

940
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,440
things

941
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,760
but now with the footage we get

942
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,519
we are getting footage

943
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,480
that far defies

944
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,799
any kind of classification

945
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,960
it's like we're getting tons more data

946
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,799
but that data is just

947
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,359
opening everything up to the point where

948
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,280
it's get it's even harder to classify it

949
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:12,879
and categorize it it's

950
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,679
again it passes strange it's beyond

951
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,280
weird

952
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,200
like what do you do with that yeah well

953
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,760
you know i i get a lot of stories i get

954
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,480
a lot of accounts all the time and

955
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,200
it never fails i'll have something in

956
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,960
mind then something will come up and

957
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,079
it's less

958
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,000
you know i'm there like whoa what the

959
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,760
hell was that all about and you know

960
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,839
then you get on the phone or with this

961
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,839
person and talk to them

962
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:40,159
and um because you're going into it

963
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,440
right off the bat thinking well this

964
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:42,960
person must be touched or something's

965
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,000
going on with this guy or this woman and

966
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,079
uh wow then they tell you a story that

967
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,960
you really start to think about

968
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,879
and your perspective changes very

969
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:55,040
quickly and uh you know that's kind of

970
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,560
what's been going on with me for these

971
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,040
past 30 years or so it's just like you

972
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,359
know it's evol evolution

973
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,760
basically what it is um

974
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,320
uh is uh

975
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,640
is is the genre going to catch up with

976
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,720
what people are actually going

977
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,640
going through i don't know you know i've

978
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,040
tried to demonstrate that for years and

979
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,160
uh and in my life in that book of mine

980
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,079
uh alien disclosure i tried to do that

981
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,800
as well but

982
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:23,680
you know

983
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,440
working when you worked on this film

984
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,359
uh and when you're writing the script

985
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,280
what what's the one thing i mean what's

986
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,040
the one thing that you

987
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,560
that you tried to to dramatize in the in

988
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,400
the film

989
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,880
oh we lost him real quick uh oh we lost

990
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,119
him but yeah his line just went down so

991
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,800
okay i'll bring it back as soon as i can

992
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,359
well folks we'll we'll try to get cooked

993
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:48,960
up with ash again

994
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,760
unfortunately these things do happen

995
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,079
uh but no once again if you've got some

996
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:56,560
questions for ash or myself go ahead and

997
00:36:03,190 --> 00:35:59,920
put it up there on the chat and uh we'll

998
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,200
see if we can get them answered for you

999
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:05,920
um anyway like i said before you know

1000
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,720
we've been working with this um

1001
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,560
what's been going on in chicago the

1002
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,640
unseen ones and there's been a has been

1003
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,800
some controversy about it and you know

1004
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,119
it's it's it's nothing unknown

1005
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,880
you know i kind of live a controversy i

1006
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,960
mean this is just what about what i do

1007
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,079
so

1008
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,720
but we're trying to get a better survey

1009
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,079
worldwide survey of these wing beings

1010
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,599
and uh hopefully if if you're listening

1011
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,760
here from somewhere

1012
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,440
across the world and you've had an

1013
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,040
encounter with a winged being

1014
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,440
please feel free to contact us because

1015
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,440
uh we're trying to get a a survey of

1016
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,640
this and try to get a better

1017
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:45,839
understanding

1018
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,040
of what has what is going on

1019
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,320
um

1020
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,320
let's see what kind of questions you

1021
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,760
know i got any questions

1022
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,359
well unfortunately when this thing

1023
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,359
happens because now i'm left sitting

1024
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,030
uh not having anything to say but

1025
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,560
no uh

1026
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,400
i don't know i mean if you if there's

1027
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,560
anything you want me to talk about

1028
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:13,119
uh before ash comes on here let me know

1029
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:14,000
um

1030
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,200
you know there's been a lot of things

1031
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,200
have been going on with us

1032
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,440
of course with chicago uh

1033
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,760
lon mothman the windy city i'm from

1034
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,839
chicago and we had sightings in the 70s

1035
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,880
i know

1036
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,320
you know this isn't something that's

1037
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,240
just happening now this has been going

1038
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,920
on for a long time

1039
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,400
and that's become very apparent

1040
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,359
um

1041
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,880
you know as we've been going through

1042
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,680
this

1043
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,200
you know these recent sightings of the

1044
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,880
past five years people

1045
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,440
are coming forward with older sightings

1046
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,599
uh so yeah it's it's not something

1047
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:46,160
that's you know it's not really that new

1048
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,870
oh

1049
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,079
yeah

1050
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,680
i was just i was just told about

1051
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,760
something i wanted to mention about the

1052
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,200
oh there's ash

1053
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,800
you hear me now

1054
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,800
yeah i hear you loud and clear

1055
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,079
everything dropped there for a second

1056
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,760
yeah i don't know what happened i don't

1057
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:07,599
know if it was my side your side or what

1058
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,720
happened but it happens on occasion

1059
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:12,160
so uh

1060
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,200
yeah

1061
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,200
once again i mean i was asking about the

1062
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,839
film itself was there something that you

1063
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,960
that you were

1064
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,440
trying to get into film

1065
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,359
and something may have happened that you

1066
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,200
had to adjust

1067
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,119
the story of the you know the story that

1068
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,119
you originally wanted because i will

1069
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,359
tell you something the figure in the

1070
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,680
field kind of freaked me out because

1071
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:35,599
i've heard several

1072
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,800
scenarios like that from experiencers

1073
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,079
yeah

1074
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,760
um so

1075
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,079
um i i don't know if uh

1076
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,400
if if you know him personally but um

1077
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,320
we got to know an experiencer terry

1078
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,720
lovelace okay

1079
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,800
and um i had

1080
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,200
screened the film for for terry actually

1081
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,599
at one point because i said you know i'm

1082
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,280
taking a lot of this from things that

1083
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,200
i've read i'm taking some of this from

1084
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,680
personal experiences and and there are

1085
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,400
some things that i really want to hit

1086
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,760
like there are some beats that i really

1087
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,599
want to hit with this

1088
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:10,720
and

1089
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,440
said you know that he had problems

1090
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,079
watching the film at night

1091
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,480
um because it was hitting on some of his

1092
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:22,000
experiences

1093
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,440
um and

1094
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,160
a few people have actually commented on

1095
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,960
the man in the field as as being

1096
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,040
very unsettling that there's just

1097
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,119
something about that particular

1098
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,720
encounter

1099
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,640
um we had had a couple things that we

1100
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,880
really wanted to do that we were um

1101
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,119
unfortunately not able to do with with

1102
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,400
our budget

1103
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,280
okay um one of which wasn't and this is

1104
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:47,280
just things that are unaccounted for

1105
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,240
um

1106
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,839
we're at a

1107
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,079
a part of illinois

1108
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,280
that rotates crops

1109
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,720
so

1110
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,320
originally

1111
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,720
we were going to shoot later on in the

1112
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,839
season

1113
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,000
when we had

1114
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,000
my house will get totally

1115
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,599
like entombed by corn mm-hmm

1116
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,960
to a point where you you can't see

1117
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,200
anything anywhere right you're just

1118
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,359
you're we're practically in a cornfield

1119
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:17,760
where like a square or like an acre

1120
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,960
square surrounded by corn and originally

1121
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,440
that was a huge part of the script

1122
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,000
was this corn um people getting lost in

1123
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,119
it people seeing things in it um

1124
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,040
and we even had written

1125
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,760
this idea of of the corn sort of being a

1126
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:35,359
place where

1127
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,880
time and in space sort of stopped

1128
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,960
like once you were in there it was

1129
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,880
anybody's guess

1130
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:43,920
and

1131
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,280
some of the

1132
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:49,680
interior shots

1133
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,560
and

1134
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:53,040
i saw one of the uh combines down the

1135
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,079
road

1136
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,160
and i said hey do we have any idea when

1137
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,400
you're gonna start planning because we

1138
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,319
want to film when

1139
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:02,079
you know the crops are probably six feet

1140
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,280
or higher

1141
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,880
and that's when they dropped a bomb on

1142
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,040
me and they said oh we're actually

1143
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,960
planting beans

1144
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,119
all around your house this year

1145
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,200
instead of the corn and at which point

1146
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,960
like my heart kind of sank i'm like oh

1147
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,160
no

1148
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,880
so there was a large part of that

1149
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,800
that we sort of had to go back and say

1150
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,560
okay how do we

1151
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,880
still get this feeling in this tone

1152
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,560
but now there's no corn you know we've

1153
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,640
got corn like across us that we can use

1154
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:30,079
but it just wasn't what we're looking

1155
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,880
for

1156
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,880
and then we started to experiment with

1157
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,640
well well what if you could see some of

1158
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:35,680
these things

1159
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,720
almost worse than not seeing it you know

1160
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,400
we were trying to do stuff where you

1161
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,000
didn't see everything and it was the

1162
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,800
suspense of it and then it was like well

1163
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,119
what if you just sort of see this

1164
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,640
very tall

1165
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:53,040
sort of humanoid kind of thing

1166
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,079
that

1167
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,480
we're not trying to really put the alien

1168
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,960
label on but obviously it looks a little

1169
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,839
off the proportions look a little bit

1170
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,760
off and you know we

1171
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,319
ended up getting um a friend of ours

1172
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,640
their their their child had a huge

1173
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,960
growth spurt

1174
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:12,960
to well over like

1175
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,839
like six and a half

1176
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,880
feet and

1177
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:17,760
um

1178
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,280
the weight hadn't quite redistributed

1179
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,960
with this child

1180
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,800
and we're like listen we've got some

1181
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,240
stuff like we've got this like black

1182
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,760
unitard stuff like we want to put you

1183
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,800
out here

1184
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,200
and um we also have this hat and we sort

1185
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,880
of you know it was like sort of like

1186
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,599
building a shadow figure

1187
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,760
and then we put everything on him and

1188
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,319
sort of because of how tall he was how

1189
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,880
like gangly he was like we were looking

1190
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,440
at it going oh this is creepy like we

1191
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,720
you know and we were like feet away

1192
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,200
we're like oh this is just really weird

1193
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,640
it's like wait till we get you out here

1194
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,960
in this field and we can barely see you

1195
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:55,200
and and then we were watching you know

1196
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,560
the footage and we're like no this is

1197
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,960
this this is really really working but

1198
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,960
but yeah we had stuff in mind that

1199
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,200
unfortunately um

1200
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,200
again because of just what happened with

1201
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,839
the the offseason of rotating crops that

1202
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,440
we couldn't do a lot of the the gags we

1203
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,040
wanted for the corn

1204
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,000
um and then there was some stuff that

1205
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,800
we had no intention of doing

1206
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,200
um because of budget restraints right

1207
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,760
that we decided to push for

1208
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,680
and and i think that

1209
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:24,400
the

1210
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,400
we're just going to do this we're going

1211
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,560
to find a way if it's more money we'll

1212
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,560
find a way to get the money

1213
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,960
but towards the the end of the film with

1214
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:37,440
it and i'll try not to give it away but

1215
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,640
like as you watch a lot of horror and

1216
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,480
science fiction films especially ones

1217
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,400
that try to bridge that gap

1218
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,319
between like traditional movie making

1219
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,119
and more found footage kind of stuff

1220
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:51,040
you get a lot of these films that tend

1221
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:51,760
to

1222
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,200
pull the rug out from under them because

1223
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,920
you know we can't try to disguise this

1224
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:01,280
as a real thing

1225
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,480
and then have all these what we would

1226
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,839
call like money shots in the business

1227
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,319
you know the shots that give it away

1228
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,240
and we were sitting there and i said

1229
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,240
well what if we had a period of about

1230
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,680
two minutes

1231
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,599
where we give them everything

1232
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,440
like what if we have these two minutes

1233
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,440
where we put almost all of our

1234
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,040
production value and our production

1235
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,520
money into two minutes

1236
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,760
so that you know we're suspending this

1237
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:25,359
belief throughout the film

1238
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,720
and then you know somebody might be

1239
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,000
sitting there going well i know we're

1240
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:29,760
not gonna see this

1241
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,920
and then we're like okay we need to do

1242
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,400
some green screen we need to get some

1243
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,280
some bigger digital stuff going on right

1244
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,200
then and then in about a minute and a

1245
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:43,119
half of the film

1246
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,920
we

1247
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,119
show you almost everything that you

1248
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,440
think you're not going to see right

1249
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,920
which for for a small film we didn't

1250
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,359
think we were going to get away with

1251
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,520
well i liked it that we had oh i liked

1252
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,079
it you know thank you yeah i did i mean

1253
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,920
i i think it kind of put a nice big

1254
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,560
cherry on top of it because um

1255
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,400
yeah i did i like it i'm not going to

1256
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,760
give it away either but you know you got

1257
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,839
to go out and buy the film but uh yeah i

1258
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,119
think you'll be surprised i think people

1259
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,640
will be surprised

1260
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,960
because i think the the way that we we

1261
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,280
push the film and the the direction that

1262
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,720
in the journey that we take the audience

1263
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,440
on is that the audience is going okay

1264
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,960
i'm just going to get

1265
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:21,119
very very small bits of this and then

1266
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:22,400
i'm going to have to construct my own

1267
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,440
story

1268
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,119
and then during a period of about two

1269
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,200
minutes of the film towards the very end

1270
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,760
we we give up we give you a lot of it

1271
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,440
you know and definitely enough for

1272
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,520
people to to form their own opinions i

1273
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,040
guess

1274
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,040
well that's that's that's good i mean

1275
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,960
i'm glad that's what you're trying to

1276
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,319
get because

1277
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,160
you know i i know i was thinking i was

1278
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,680
wondering what the hell was going on

1279
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,280
myself so yeah

1280
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,040
absolutely that was cool

1281
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,599
um now

1282
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,160
now you tackle the film about alien

1283
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,880
abduction or alien encounters and such

1284
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,920
uh

1285
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:57,839
and you know you're into the horror

1286
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,200
stuff what what's kind of next uh

1287
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,440
where do you see yourself down a little

1288
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,800
bit down the road as far as producing

1289
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,160
um

1290
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,560
i think

1291
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,960
the next thing for us we've we've got a

1292
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,800
couple things that we're doing um

1293
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,200
one of which is um

1294
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,920
i i really like these ideas of

1295
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,480
of of narrative driven podcasts that are

1296
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,440
their stories right um and we've got one

1297
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:27,280
that we're working on right now which is

1298
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:28,480
uh

1299
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,839
about a a cursed rock album

1300
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,760
we wanted to do something very different

1301
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,800
from

1302
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,319
what we just did

1303
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:39,599
and it's essentially a a detective story

1304
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,200
about um a couple of uh like

1305
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,240
vinyl aficionados people who love music

1306
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,280
um audiophiles who have been looking for

1307
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,400
this 80s rock album that's supposedly

1308
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,319
cursed and it's sort of about them

1309
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,880
trying to find it and about them getting

1310
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,680
sort of deeper into a story that they

1311
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,960
didn't think that they were going to get

1312
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,839
into that's very occult driven

1313
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:06,400
when looking for this and then

1314
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,079
as far as more traditional video stuff

1315
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,960
uh i i have an opportunity in front of

1316
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:13,920
me

1317
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,400
um and

1318
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,640
and and it's and i got it i gotta hand

1319
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,880
it to you on it it's bizarre

1320
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,559
it's very bizarre but um i've been

1321
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:25,839
fascinated

1322
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,359
with this idea of uh dogmen and bipedal

1323
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,599
wolves

1324
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,160
and we've got an opportunity to film at

1325
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,400
a couple of places

1326
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,960
that are real hot spots for this and

1327
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,640
there's a good possibility that as far

1328
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,040
as the next film it it'll it'll be a

1329
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,040
straightforward documentary

1330
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,520
on the idea of of dogman and bipedal

1331
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,040
wolves

1332
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,880
yeah well you know

1333
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,960
if you need any uh

1334
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,680
any help on that just feel free to ask

1335
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:57,040
because uh

1336
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,480
you know we've been looking at that

1337
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,280
phenomena here in pennsylvania now for

1338
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,760
several years and um

1339
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,280
it's

1340
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,960
it is fascinating i mean some of the

1341
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,640
stuff people tell you

1342
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:11,760
and uh i'm obsessed with it yeah

1343
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,960
it's so bizarre to me yeah

1344
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,640
well it's just like a lot of his other

1345
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,960
stuff you look at it and you think well

1346
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,800
how in the hell is that possible what

1347
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,160
are these things

1348
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,680
uh are they you know some type of actual

1349
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,800
being

1350
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,359
are they a manifestation thought form

1351
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,880
type of thing are they from another

1352
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,960
dimension you know that's the three

1353
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:34,400
three things you gotta ask right off the

1354
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,280
bat

1355
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,000
and you know you really have no

1356
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,559
inkling of what's really going on

1357
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,720
but uh you know we have had reports here

1358
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:44,720
in pennsylvania that could fall on all

1359
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:46,640
three classifications

1360
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,240
and uh yeah it makes you think

1361
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,520
yeah so that's that's definitely point

1362
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:53,280
of a point of interest for us

1363
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,079
um

1364
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,960
because you know the the phenomena from

1365
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,520
an a non-fictional perspective to me is

1366
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,800
so alluring

1367
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:03,119
um the idea of doing a traditional

1368
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,480
documentary

1369
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,319
to me i think is is something that we're

1370
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,760
very interested in doing we've got a

1371
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,920
couple of ideas for

1372
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,440
more

1373
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,359
traditional horror films and science

1374
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,640
fiction stuff like that but um i

1375
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,800
given the opportunity that we have now

1376
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,559
it's like i i really do think that

1377
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:22,000
that's probably going to be where we're

1378
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:23,200
headed next

1379
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:24,400
well good

1380
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,599
i mean i

1381
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:28,480
you know i hope you do that because uh

1382
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,069
a higher production as far as that

1383
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,319
phenomena goes you you see a lot of this

1384
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,400
stuff on youtube and it just doesn't

1385
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,079
grab what you want you're the type of

1386
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,400
information you want to get yeah there

1387
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,400
have been a few films but they really

1388
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,559
haven't covered

1389
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,720
much more than the actual lore you know

1390
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,200
the old folklore or something as to what

1391
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,760
it might be as opposed to what people

1392
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,960
are really experiencing so yeah

1393
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,800
i i think that's something you could

1394
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,839
cover fairly well and put that horror

1395
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,520
aspect to it as well

1396
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,520
and and that's also sort of what we want

1397
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,200
to do because you see a lot of

1398
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,520
of documentaries that um

1399
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,000
and again it's strange how people

1400
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,480
really want to adhere to a format and it

1401
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,839
seems as though it's very difficult for

1402
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,520
them to break out of a format so right

1403
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:20,960
when it comes to paranormal stuff as far

1404
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,319
as documentaries it's always um more of

1405
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,960
a historical perspective right and

1406
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,640
everything is interviews and then we

1407
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,319
have a couple of dramatizations

1408
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:31,680
reenactments

1409
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,559
or

1410
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:34,880
it's just the investigative angle

1411
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:37,760
and it's researchers out in the field

1412
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,800
but those two rarely bleed together

1413
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,280
right and we want to do something where

1414
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,520
we're there on site

1415
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,440
we're also doing interviews around the

1416
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,480
area

1417
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:50,400
and we're giving people

1418
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,839
some chilling

1419
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,960
reenactments that are

1420
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,800
relatively high as far as production

1421
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,319
value is concerned right so we're

1422
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,839
looking to do something where we sort of

1423
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,000
touch on all of those documentary

1424
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,079
aspects and give somebody something

1425
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,720
that's that's well-rounded but also has

1426
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,440
some entertainment value to it as well

1427
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,119
yeah well

1428
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,280
quite frankly you're in an area not for

1429
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,440
an area you're not far from wisconsin so

1430
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,119
you know there's a lot of stuff going on

1431
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,640
up there

1432
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,559
and uh you know i'm quite sure you'll be

1433
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,160
able to pull something other than just

1434
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,000
the brave road thing there's a lot of

1435
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,240
other sightings as well up there

1436
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,400
we have a landowner that actually

1437
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,760
contacted us

1438
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,839
who owns land here in illinois who also

1439
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,640
owns

1440
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:34,800
attractive land in wisconsin

1441
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:39,119
and um his experiences are weekly

1442
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:40,079
really

1443
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:41,040
yeah

1444
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,920
cool

1445
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,880
so and he's had a couple of experiences

1446
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,839
with

1447
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,960
um

1448
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,400
unfortunately left a bad taste in his

1449
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,920
mouth the way that he felt he was

1450
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:53,280
represented

1451
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,559
and you know we're trying to do

1452
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,920
something a little bit different so we

1453
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,079
hope that we can come in and

1454
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,480
and and give him you know sort of the

1455
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,960
attention that the phenomena deserves

1456
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,400
and and also what people are looking to

1457
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,160
see from it because

1458
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,400
it's fascinating and we we need to have

1459
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,640
something that's equally fascinating to

1460
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,559
reflect just how bizarre that phenomena

1461
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,559
is so i'm hoping that we're able to do

1462
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,240
that you know if if that is the project

1463
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,760
that we go after next well you know

1464
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,280
that's that's a subject that could use

1465
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,599
an independent mind behind it i mean as

1466
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,359
opposed to the network

1467
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,880
putting out a budget and telling a

1468
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,319
production company you know you got to

1469
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,839
have this this and this because we got

1470
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,920
people buying advertising

1471
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:32,000
and uh now if you do it independently of

1472
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,280
course you can put a lot of things out

1473
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,720
there that you're not necessarily going

1474
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,119
to get away with with a network so yeah

1475
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,800
i think you're i think it's a great

1476
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,200
opportunity for you

1477
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,800
and the fact that like

1478
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,160
i i

1479
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,960
i rarely go two hours without cursing

1480
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,960
so

1481
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,720
yeah why guilty is that as well be

1482
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,319
honest with you like like as you can see

1483
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,480
from the film it's like it's very

1484
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,200
difficult so the idea of having sort of

1485
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,040
money behind it that's not my money it's

1486
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:01,680
like oh this is going to be awesome

1487
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:04,960
exercising patience yeah yeah well i get

1488
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,280
that i mean you know but yeah and you

1489
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,960
know i can give you i i can give you an

1490
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,599
actual fact something that we incurred

1491
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,400
um

1492
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,559
you know when i wrote mothman dynasty i

1493
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,640
sold the book like six months after the

1494
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,359
book came out i sold it to a

1495
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,839
two production company in new york

1496
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,520
and uh they

1497
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,760
they were coming up with scenarios and

1498
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,440
stuff for what they want to present to

1499
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,440
the networks and of course they

1500
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,119
eventually

1501
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,880
were thinking well look you know you've

1502
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,800
got a the fans of monster fortune

1503
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:36,240
research team

1504
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,520
you know why don't we get something

1505
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,599
together do a sizzle reel for them and

1506
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,440
put it out there and they did i mean

1507
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,280
they came to my house

1508
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,079
and uh we you know had we had the team

1509
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,240
members who lived in pennsylvania all

1510
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,559
come down and we actually produced a

1511
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,720
sizzle fill well you know

1512
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,319
it's one thing in producing something

1513
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,000
like that spending a lot of work on it

1514
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,240
as opposed to getting it actually bought

1515
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,240
by a network and that didn't seem to

1516
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,240
work then again of course

1517
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,400
you know we were also talking about well

1518
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,160
you know what stuff that's going on in

1519
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,079
chicago but it's going to take a bit of

1520
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,880
a budget to work on that and uh the

1521
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,559
covert thing kind of killed that thing

1522
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,240
you know it was it was on the fringe

1523
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,079
anyway but the covet

1524
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,119
you know cove had killed it so you know

1525
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,359
covet has put you know and and this is

1526
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,200
in no way to diminish

1527
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,680
the very real physical suffering that

1528
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,520
people experience as well as their

1529
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:30,400
losses yeah but it has put a very

1530
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,520
literal

1531
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,000
uh you know coffin nail in in the

1532
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,000
entertainment industry for so many

1533
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,680
projects

1534
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,160
the entire landscape well it changed the

1535
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,000
entire landscape of how films are

1536
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,160
delivered now you know with the

1537
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,079
warner brothers hbo deal something that

1538
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,240
we never thought we would see

1539
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,160
that is now commonplace

1540
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,599
and it's probably going to be something

1541
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:53,119
that we're going to have from here on

1542
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,559
out um

1543
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,079
you know it's

1544
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,119
it's it's in it's in the uh

1545
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,960
the ether now so it's probably going to

1546
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,400
be something that continues because

1547
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,799
people will expect to see that

1548
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,720
um you know i'll be honest with you i

1549
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,559
don't know you know i don't know how

1550
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:10,480
movie theaters are gonna fare with all

1551
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,359
this

1552
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,520
uh that might be something in the past

1553
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,359
who knows but um

1554
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:17,680
yeah the whole concept of going to and

1555
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:20,960
watching a film at a theater might be

1556
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,839
more so you sitting at home watching it

1557
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,520
at you know at home

1558
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,599
so uh who knows yeah

1559
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,040
i think with the struggles that we've

1560
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,559
seen amc

1561
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,559
and other chains start to go through

1562
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,200
yeah um and it's it's it's a weird

1563
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,359
industry anyways um

1564
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,480
because of how theaters make money

1565
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,400
like we've all sort of known that they

1566
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,079
make more money off of concessions than

1567
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,440
ticket sales

1568
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,480
um so you've got people who are going to

1569
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,760
see something

1570
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,000
and you know now they're sort of leery

1571
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,079
about you know their interactions with

1572
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,240
the staff they're probably

1573
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,480
buying less concessions because of that

1574
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:00,799
um you know six-foot rules things of

1575
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,119
that nature the entire idea of

1576
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,200
sort of where we go to movies of this

1577
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,839
whole kind of congregation you know it

1578
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,440
was sort of a ritual it's like for me

1579
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,040
that was always sort of my church was a

1580
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,040
movie theater when i was a kid you know

1581
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,440
it was like okay here's a time that we

1582
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,520
go here you know we have a window of

1583
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,760
opportunity to see this particular movie

1584
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,440
uh you know we're taking the kids we're

1585
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:24,960
doing this we're doing that there was

1586
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:28,720
this ritual to it and and now that's

1587
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,000
been so disrupted i just don't i don't

1588
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,319
know if we can bounce back

1589
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:37,040
to where we were to necessitate

1590
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:40,720
four and five 12-plex cinema houses

1591
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,079
in you know a town of 80 000 people i i

1592
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,040
think it's just it's gonna dwindle too

1593
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,359
you got one movie theater

1594
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,760
you know for so many people

1595
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,359
and then i think that

1596
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,680
once we sort of bounce back

1597
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,799
from this idea of of separation and

1598
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,079
isolation

1599
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,680
then people don't want to

1600
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,520
want to be crammed into that one theater

1601
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,240
and then we'll have similar problems

1602
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,799
where you know when an industry has to

1603
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,799
have elasticity

1604
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,720
but we all know that corporate america

1605
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:14,319
doesn't have room for elasticity it's

1606
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,760
all bottom line

1607
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,119
and if they can get rid of something

1608
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:19,520
today and not worry about it tomorrow

1609
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,880
they'll do it and and that's unfortunate

1610
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,880
yeah you know it's funny because you

1611
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,200
know you look at you look at television

1612
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,200
productions in particular

1613
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,480
uh

1614
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,799
you know how many of them go beyond one

1615
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,119
season now even if they maybe not don't

1616
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,280
even get past the first three episodes

1617
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:39,520
or something that effect uh

1618
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,559
it's rare and um you know

1619
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,160
it's it's and it's all about making the

1620
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,960
money the advertising and such and uh

1621
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,640
it's not necessarily about the store

1622
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,319
i've seen a lot of great productions get

1623
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,920
pulled after one year

1624
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,079
i mean we all have and it's like oh my

1625
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,680
god you know here we go again sometime

1626
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,319
getting interested in the ankeny you

1627
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,000
know you might see it on you might see

1628
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,920
it on netflix or something four or five

1629
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,319
years down the road but yeah you get

1630
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,319
emotionally invested in it and then all

1631
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,799
of a sudden you know it's two seasons

1632
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,839
and

1633
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,319
for whatever reason you know mid-season

1634
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,760
they didn't get the numbers they wanted

1635
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:16,000
and they got cold feet and didn't renew

1636
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,359
contracts

1637
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,520
it's rampant right now it's it's

1638
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,280
it's extra it's way too common it

1639
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,400
shouldn't be

1640
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,160
well you know it kind of reminds me when

1641
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,240
we were kids and now i'm dating myself

1642
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,559
now but you know we just get a theor the

1643
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,480
theaters on on saturday what's the

1644
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,359
cereals right oh yeah and you know when

1645
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:35,440
that stopped it was like huh well you

1646
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,640
know now what you know because back then

1647
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,400
i you know it was just the advent of

1648
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,400
some cable television but very little

1649
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,000
yeah and you know

1650
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:46,319
if a movie came to the theater you saw

1651
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,319
it on tv five or six years later on uh

1652
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,240
you know sunday night the movies or

1653
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,640
something something like that yeah that

1654
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:56,400
was the only time you saw stuff now it's

1655
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,839
like it's caught it's it's constantly

1656
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,680
coming out you know you go to netflix

1657
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,280
you go to prime and there's something

1658
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,280
new all the time

1659
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,280
but unfortunately like you said you get

1660
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,480
invested

1661
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:11,040
with with a show and you get really

1662
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,480
wrapped up in it

1663
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,599
and they yank it you know after you know

1664
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,640
after a year and it is frustrating

1665
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,079
and and genre shows specifically um

1666
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,160
because of the level of production

1667
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,640
especially stuff like science fiction um

1668
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,240
the more money that they're pulling into

1669
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,000
it and and if there's

1670
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,559
you know a risk of you know

1671
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,400
less roi than they think they're going

1672
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,799
to get in that first or second season

1673
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and it's just gone and and and that's

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difficult because

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i will say though i mean we're living in

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a golden era because you know 10 years

1677
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,040
ago 20 years ago we didn't have all

1678
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,200
these genre shows there was usually one

1679
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,200
science fiction show a season that came

1680
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,119
out and you may or may not like it and

1681
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:56,640
now we have all of these choices that we

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01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,280
never had before so it's it's glorious

1683
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,680
and yet it's also

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01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:04,079
frustrating at the same time you know it

1685
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,359
makes you wonder if like if if star wars

1686
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,680
could have came out 20 years later

1687
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,599
what would have been the fate of that

1688
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,000
you know would that have been so popular

1689
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:17,119
now i mean well say in 2000 as opposed

1690
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,799
to when it came out in 77 right yeah

1691
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,400
those are some interesting questions you

1692
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,880
know it's timing that industry is all

1693
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,720
about timing

1694
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,880
well ash tell the folks how to get in

1695
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,680
contact with you and uh you know

1696
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,839
if they've got some ideas or things to

1697
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,079
discuss with you how can they contact

1698
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,480
you um by the way i'm very very open

1699
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,640
anybody can contact me and i will

1700
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,240
definitely try to contact you back as

1701
01:00:46,829 --> 01:00:45,359
soon as possible um on twitter i am at

1702
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,839
uh

1703
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:48,559
h-o-r-r-o-r-f-i-x

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01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:49,440
um

1705
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:53,960
we are uh horror fix on facebook uh

1706
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,559
horrorhyphenfix.com is the website

1707
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,400
um if you just put in horror fix

1708
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:00,000
anywhere on google where we're going to

1709
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,559
come up and um i usually man all of

1710
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,440
the emails all the um catch-alls and

1711
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,799
everything myself

1712
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,880
along with some of our other you know

1713
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,160
reviewers but

1714
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,040
it's real easy to get a hold of me um

1715
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,040
again you got something weird the

1716
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,040
weirder the better usually

1717
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,839
i i i enjoy it so yeah i'm always

1718
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:23,040
looking to connect with people i'm

1719
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,640
always looking to connect with people in

1720
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:27,599
film or you know in ufology or the

1721
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,880
paranormal so i'm i'm available and i'm

1722
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:32,640
pretty transparent so yeah you can

1723
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:34,000
definitely get all of me

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01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,200
well it's great for you to come on

1725
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,359
tonight and uh good luck with the film

1726
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,880
and good luck with all the other things

1727
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,160
you've got planned

1728
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,880
and you have a great weekend

1729
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,240
thank you so much lana i appreciate you

1730
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,680
have yourself a wonderful night you take

1731
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,510
now if you have an unexplained counter

1732
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,440
sighting feel free to contact me through

1733
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,599
the phantoms of monsters blog site i

1734
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,000
want to again thank ash hamilton for

1735
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,680
joining me this evening and thanks to

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01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,119
each and all of you for watching and

1737
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,359
chatting now if you did make a super

1738
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,599
chat donation is truly appreciated your

1739
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,160
support is what makes this all possible

1740
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,039
so like subscribe and share now we did

1741
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,960
have a guest schedule for next week but

1742
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:12,400
unfortunately

1743
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,440
she had to cancel out so what i don't

1744
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,280
know exactly what we're going to do but

1745
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,960
i've got some ideas

1746
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,720
so if there's something you think that

1747
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:22,720
we can put together before next friday

1748
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,359
night feel free to send me an email or

1749
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,280
get a hold of me on facebook or on

1750
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:28,880
twitter or whatever

1751
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,520
and uh we'll see what we can do so until

1752
01:02:43,410 --> 01:02:33,359
next week stay healthy and have a safe

1753
01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:49,430
[Music]

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01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:56,060
so

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[Applause]